Saturday, September 30, 2006

Detainees, Terrorists, Suspects, and Us?


I was disappointed this week to see that Congress passed a bill that allows the arrest, torture, and detention of suspected terrorists. The idea that we are willing to cross a line between cruel and inhumane acts and American ideals bothers me. I realize that terrorists are something to be feared, but if we look at the very nature of "terrorism" I believe that we are headed down the wrong road here.

Terrorism by its very nature is an attempt to change something through fear. Simple definition, I know, but that is really all it is. If someone doesn't like something that you are doing and uses violence to get their way, then that is terrorism. We make changes through fear, and by doing so we allow terrorists to accomplish their goals. Kids learn this on the playground.... The bully demands lunch money or he/she will give you a thrashing, so you give them the lunch money. Powerful people preying on the weak. Well, I believe that the global consensus is that we are not a weak country. In this case, the lunch money represents our fundamental rights. We do not need to bow to the threats of the bully, so why are we giving them our lunch money?

In this case, we have completely suspended "Habeus Corpus" for suspected terrorists. For international readers, our constitution guarantees that no citizen can be held for more than 24 hours without formal charges being filed. If there are no formal charges, then the constitution commands release.

Now, where I tend to get nervous about this is that the bill does not clearly specify foreign nationals. I guess that a US citizen could be a terrorist (Isn't that what Timothy McVeigh was called?) and commit terrorist acts. Under the provisions of the new law, someone suspected of terrorism can be held indefinitely, tortured, and prosecuted in a closed trial.

I look at things that have come of the Patriot Act over the past several years, and knowing that it has been interpreted very broadly in order to allow electronic monitoring of US citizens, as well as other curtailing of our rights. I fear that such interpretations can happen with this bill.

If this happens, then indeed, the terrorists have accomplished their mission. They will have changed our fundamental way of life through violent acts. I am by no means suggesting that violence is a way to achieve a goal. I just believe that if we step back and take a broader, more historical view of the whole governmental reaction to the 9/11 terrorist act that we may be going too far.

In 1755 Benjamin Franklin said:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Now, I am sure that entire conferences could be held to discuss this and someone somewhere would interpret it differently, but the essence of the thing is that we can't curtail our rights to protect ourselves. If we give up our rights, what are we protecting?

One possible solution would be retribution - Pax Romanus.... Find the nest and destroy it. I don't think that we should do this indiscriminately, but if we find that a terrorist act was committed by someone operating out of a foreign country, then we go in and destroy their headquarters. Since terrorism crosses political boundaries, there is no reason that our response shouldn't cross them as well. I believe that we could put up with the indignity of other countries over sovereignty issues. If we do this seriously and consistently, sooner or later the terrorists will have to understand that there is not a positive outcome to a terrorist act.

Anyway, that is the end of the political diatribe for this morning. I stand prepared to reply to comments, flames, and opinions. I purposely left my statements very broad in the hopes that it will spur a discussion.

3 Comments:

Blogger Seeds of Doom said...

You can't reason with madmen. Do you think there is such a thing as situational ethics when it comes to fighting terrorism?? Do you honestly think they give a rat's ass about whether they're practicing safe EXtraction of information from THEIR detainees?? I think internationally broadcast beheadings and dragging tortured, burned remains through the streets and hanging ravaged corpses in public display are enough said. They WANT us to treat them gingerly so they can get back into action and do their dirty deeds another day and another day and another day until they snuff each and every one of us out. If you don't treat cancer it will eventually kill you. Terrorism is mankind cancer. Only the host or the paracite can survive. What's YOUR choice?? Even if the host dies trying to eliminate the disease, that's nobler than merely laying down and dying. (Deep breath) So, THERE!!

8:45 AM, October 02, 2006  
Blogger Red Flannel said...

My point was that if we are no better than them, what exactly are we defending?

I did suggest that we pursue a policy much like the ancient Roman empire. A "Pax Romanus" type of retribution. If we are attacked or our citizens are taken hostage, then the entire area where the attack originated should be destroyed. It follows "An eye for an eye" and I believe that we are capable of retribution on a biblical scale. This in turn will garner some local support in those areas where terrorism is bred and festers - the locals will come to realize that there can be no positive outcome to supporting terrorists. I think that with a few examples we could turn the tide. All we have to do is to tame the bleeding hearts that will cry about the innocents that are killed among the evil-doers.

What I disagree with is the method. Our stock in trade is our freedom and the protection of the innocent people of the world. We cannot forego our principles in response to terrorists. Our laws cannot just be a mattter of convenience and discarded in response to situations, they must be enforced and embraced at all times.

If we fail to adhere to these principles, we are doing a tremendous disservice to our country and shaming ourselves in the eyes of our founding fathers and the world at large.

4:51 PM, October 02, 2006  
Blogger Seeds of Doom said...

In this case, we have completely suspended "Habeus Corpus" for suspected terrorists. For international readers, our constitution guarantees that no citizen can be held for more than 24 hours without formal charges being filed. If there are no formal charges, then the constitution commands release.

If we afford foreigners the same rights as our own citizens, whether they're terrorists or not, we dilute our own system to the point where we're forfeiting our birthright. I can see why there's so much support for allowing illegal immigrants to live among us. They assume that, simply because they got inside our borders, that in and of itself EARNS them all the rights we as legitimate citizens enjoy. That ideology so cheapens our democratic ideals as to make it totally worthless if we allow such a travesty to continue. It's no wonder hispanics will soon outnumber any other "minority" in the US. It's a shame most of them are "undocumented," yet another term attempting to legitimize criminals.

Furthermore:

YOU SAID:

In this case, we have completely suspended "Habeus Corpus" for suspected terrorists. For international readers, our constitution guarantees that no citizen can be held for more than 24 hours without formal charges being filed. If there are no formal charges, then the constitution commands release.

Here again, are you suggesting we extend such legal rights to foreign nationals in foreign countries?? If so, what distinguishes citizens of the United States of America from fanatics in the rest of the world who want to make our kind extinct in short order?? Even if our own citizens exhibit terrorist tendencies, there's such a thing as "just cause" to detain individuals in whom there is substantial suspicion of grave harm. There are way too many "afterthefact" criminals who wouldn't have committed the crimes they were finally arrested for if they'd been stopped beforehand because of facts known before the acts were committed. We're got to start paying more attention to protecting the innocent than coddling the (potentially) guilty.

3:06 AM, October 03, 2006  

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